Episode 7: In Filth It Will Be Found (The Reward is Being Human)

Susan So it is the end of another lunation.

Cassidy We're not recording. I guess I should record. All right.

Susan So I didn't hit the record button people. You didn't miss much. We were just contemplating the fact that this was the end of another lunation. Yes.

Cassidy Another lunation, another chapter gone by in this story of life upon which we venture. Through time!

Susan That we do.

Cassidy That we do. I don't know, I have no idea where that came from.

Susan You were channeling your inner, like, I don't know, old wise one or something.

Cassidy Yeah, you know, it's the wizard at the center of our summer spread, for those who know what that means. I actually saw a video about the Pagemaster, which is like a... Oh, that's an old movie, right? Yeah, it's kind of like a deep...

Susan Or Was it a show or a movie?

Cassidy was a movie, so, like, deep-cut, 90s animated film that, like, kind of busted in the box office.

Susan Really?

Cassidy But here's the thing. My son and I loved that movie, actually.

Susan Well, here's the thing.

Cassidy Everybody remembers loving it. Everybody remembers owning it on VHS in their home. You had a young Macaulay Culkin, you know, and then I'm so bad with actors, but these are like famous ones that even I know, right? Like, who's the Back to the Future guy? Christopher Lloyd, you know, is the librarian. I actually met him once.

Susan No way. Sat with him at dinner. What? Yeah. Yeah. You know, long story.

Cassidy Oh my gosh.

Susan I see.

Cassidy I love, I love stories like that.

Susan What could I say? The thing, the things we do, right? I know.

Cassidy We end up.

Susan I know.

Cassidy I know. Okay. So let's, let's footnote that. want to circle back and hear your... I'll tell that story privately.

Susan Yes.

Cassidy I will.

Susan We'll keep that one.

Cassidy Um, so yeah, you know, it, apparently the page master... It kind of bombed in theaters, and it could be because there were other hits that came out at the same time that it came out, but.

Susan Yeah, it must have been, because I enjoyed that movie.

Cassidy Yeah, and if you're not familiar with it, it was young kid, the Home Alone kid, you know, is like a scaredy kid who gets bullied and, you know, he ends up on a stormy night or stormy evening, you know, I guess the library was still open. So, you know, he wanders into the library, and then he ends up going on an adventure through horror, adventure, and fantasy, which they anthropomorphize these books as characters. And the thing is, he gets to actually turn into a 2D animated character. And, you know, this, I feel like it was a thing in like the 80s, 90s, this whole being sucked into a book or a story. of story, Like the never ending story. And apparently there was a surge in library card, you know, library cards after, you know, a film like the page master, because it made it cool to go to the library and it made it cool to read and that I did not know.

Susan But that, of course, makes so much sense. Right.

Cassidy Yeah, you know, and so how I got here associatively is in the in the film, there is the page master is an actual like character or wizard who sort of narrates and yeah, and I'm pretty sure they use Christopher Lloyd, the librarians voiced for the page master. So like, he's also this like wizard who likes and sends him on his, his journey. And so I, I was like, Oh, that you know, this is What it feels like living robes of light, you know, to me, the way that we live life through this narrative framework, narrative intelligence, archetypal intelligence, and with the animating influences of the card images and the myth and the lore and the dreams and all of the things that make it up. Yeah, it recaptures the imagination, like, like when we were children. And, you know, sometimes we even appear in the cards. We've had that happen. We had it happen. Remember, actually think I'm in my card today. Alex, I'll explain later, but

Susan Yeah, I think that that is me in that card.

Cassidy Yeah, there was one solar story. I don't remember which year now, but it was like chapter 12. was the very last chapter of the year. And I remember both of us like, very clearly showed up in our, our cards. And yeah, it very much had that feeling of talk about as above, so below from the highest dimensions, you know. It's like we passed through the third dimension, even into the, the second dimension. And I don't know if you're into that kind of like dimensions stuff. Susan's got her Atie the gift shirt on, which I feel like it's another, another kind of wink to that. Yeah. So anyway, I meandered there. But, you know, you meander and then you come back around. It's the heroic journey. And, you know, so she's wearing a shirt from a fabulous Turkish television show, which we talked about a couple years ago when we watched it. Mm hmm. And so the English translation is the gift. And before we hopped on, Susan made the connection that it's perfect for where we are in the heroic journey because we are now in the reward stage. And so this chapter seven, this lunation lunar cycle actually took us from the crucible stage and transitioned us and carried us through into the reward stage. And we had sort of right near the peak in the full moon. We also had the summer solstice. So that was that portal to walk through. So. It was an interesting chapter.

Susan It was. And in this chapter, too, we have like this, and you'll be able to better speak to this if you want to. Otherwise, people can look it up. We have this huge astrological, is it a transit, technically? Because it's going to be here for a long time, if I understand correctly, right? You're talking about Barbo's Basket?

Cassidy Yeah.

Susan Barbo's Basket.

Cassidy Yeah, it's going to be there. I can't give you exact dates and stuff. But the good thing is there are a lot of astrologers out there talking about it. Oh, yeah. I mean, it's like a big conversation in the world of astrology right now.

Susan It is.

Cassidy And so I'll link in the show notes to some stuff about it. But people, the astrologers have been keeping their eyes to the skies to see. This configuration that literally looks like a basket or a bucket or a bucket, but yeah, there's this configuration of the outer planets in the, in the sky that this French astrologer Barbeau had predicted as, well, we could, you could go into, I did that whole heart repost on, well, what does it mean? And how does it relate to our cards? Um, but yes, we have that going on this, this month of July.

Susan He happens to be the guy who also predicted, um, well before it happened, uh, the COVID experience. Mm hmm.

Cassidy He did.

Susan Just saying. So he did, he has made other predictions around this. Just, Thank

Cassidy Did you see, I'll mention just because I thought it was so cool. Did you see how his whole thing was about the Barycenter, like the mass of the solar system tilting or shifting because of when, like his thing was when these heavy planets sort of join together on one side of the solar system, it actually causes a sort of tilt in the solar system. Like this, the center of mass, the Barycenter. And he like looked over long periods of years of data to see how this imbalance, this planetary imbalance coincided with major upsets in human history and events, plagues, wars, you name it, revolutions and so forth. And so yes, he had predicted, and he died in like 2019, I think.

Susan So he died like right before. was helpful. hadNC.com. Right before it, yeah.

Cassidy He had predicted it, right?

Susan He's like, I'm out of here.

Cassidy Good luck with that, y'all. Yeah. But anyways, that was one of the reasons the connections I made with our seasonal cards was because we were sitting there looking at these cards. It's like, yes, it's all tilted.

Susan Right? Everything was like out Everything was a little tilted.

Cassidy Which is interesting because if I remember correctly, what part of this alignment is in his prediction is about like a new order coming into harmony and a new balance. So I find that interesting little.

Susan Right. So these outer planets now, they're a little more spread out and they make these, you know, harmonious aspects to each other.

Cassidy just I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm just I'm just And so, you know, the most optimistic folks are like, it's the start of the golden age, a new era for human civilization. And people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Let's not get crazy. Well, and I think ultimately, even Barboa's message was so in keeping with the energy that we were feeling for on summer solstice, which is ultimately, in the quantum field of possibility, this is going to come down to free will and human choice. And what this means, what goes in the basket is up to the hearts and minds of humanity right now. I got chills when I said that. Yeah, I heard Billy had the TV on, I think it was yesterday afternoon.

Susan And, you No one knew this show, interviewing people, and person after person kept talking about what they really wanted. Maybe it was related to just having had 4th of July. I don't know. I wasn't really paying that much attention, but I heard people repeatedly saying that they know that so many people are upset. About the conflicts, conflicts in the world, conflicts, you know, within parties, conflicts within families, you know, and how they want to all get along, right? And then the second half of it was like these ways they think that it can happen. I'm like, no, I don't think.

Cassidy Like, it's going to happen that way, people!

Susan Like, I don't think that's how it goes! So it'll be interesting to see how it goes.

Cassidy Yeah, so this is coming to mind, and I don't know if you saw this, but probably some of the most wholesome news that has caught my attention from the periphery in a while has been the World Cup. So, yeah, my thoughts were like, you know, could it be that the great harmonious aspects of the start of the golden age of new civilization and world peace gets inspired by the World Cup? Because it is just, you know, right before and around the 4th of July, the 250th, the Mars-Uranus conjunction and Gemini, yada, yada. Um, you just have this influx ofifi Was it millions of people from around the world and Europeans who just came into the United States for the World Cup. And, you know, I don't have like TikTok and Instagram and stuff, but I saw some compilations on like YouTube, on the YouTube. I saw, you know, these reaction videos of them getting to experience US thing, American things in real life for the first time and like, you know, coming like besties with Americans and just like this, it was like a big heart energy. I think maybe there was like a Venus Jupiter conjunction in there somewhere. I don't know, but it was wholesome. It was wholesome. Well, I guess if there is.

Susan Anything historically that has been able to do that, besides disaster, besides disaster, bringing people together, which is very short-lived in the mindset, you know, forget, people forget very easily, is sport. Sure.

Cassidy Right?

Susan I mean, sport has really had that ability to just bring out the best in people and bring people together, even if they're rooting for a particular team, right, you know, there still is such sportsmanship. Um, and so as much as I have real issue with the amount of money and inflated prices of professional sports events. And how it's so exclusionary for common man. You know, I still hold this idea of sport as this uniting thing, you know, amongst humanity. And so for that, we have to give it credit.

Cassidy Yeah, I got chills when you said that. I think what came to mind is this planet, Mars, which, you know, in maybe oversimplified terms, is like, oh, the god of war, the planet of war. And, you know, you could finesse that and say, well, no, it's not just war. It's just assertion, drive, you know, action. And you could think of it as the athlete, the warrior, right? And so I love this idea that at a different register of consciousness.

Susan I mean, if you think of all of the attributes that go with the, like the good sportsman, you know, there's so much integrity. And yeah, a lot of that has been lost over the years. And there have been people who have done, you know, blood doping and drugs and cheating. And yes, there has been all of that. But there still is this very strong integrity and drive and like pursuit of excellence, I think, that really happens in sports. And so, yeah, I really. yeah. I really see that. Yeah.

Cassidy Yes. Lots of chills on this one. And this was not expected whatsoever. This is not a planned conversation.

Susan It never is.

Cassidy It never is. It never is. Yeah. You were talking about sport as a unifier. And I love that idea because I think I kind of judged sport for a while as a divider. Not as a unifier. You know, I remember having this moment of, I may have mentioned this at some point, that I was watching my brother's soccer game. You know, this is when he was in like middle or high. And, you know, the parents, of course, are the ones that are always, like, the most brutal and competitive. Oh, yeah. They ruin it for everybody. I know.

Susan I know.

Cassidy And so you have, like, the parents ready to, like, get into a fistfight on the sidelines. But then I noticed, like, you had, you know, people on both sides wearing, like, the same college baseball cap. So it's, like, in this scene, you are enemies. But if you go to your college stadium, you would be cheering on the same side.

Susan And then you just, like, continue, like, you know, this, like, zoom out, zoom in, micro, macro. Like, and then if you were at your national, you know, you're, like, the NFL or, you know, whatever the equivalent is.

Cassidy I'm really good at, like, talking sport, right?

Susan Neither of us are, even though I was a physical education major in college. back Right. Put Juniper

Cassidy Yeah, you really it's like you really sported that sport today sport.

Susan Good sport.

Cassidy I can compose myself. Then you got I feel like you could appreciate this from like your Italian heritage. Like I remember being abroad in Naples and I was trying to like this was the days of Skype. I was trying to like Skype my mom. And I was like, Oh, I think I'm gonna lose my internet connection. It was just a Molotov cocktail outside. It's like, what's going on? It's like, Oh, it's the football game. I can't tell if they won or they lost.

Susan I get that. You know what is coming to mind? What year were you? Were you willing to reveal that on?

Cassidy Yeah, on video, a national programming 1992 1992.

Susan Okay, so you weren't alive for this. Yeah, wasn't sure if you were. But what's coming to mind as we talk about this, and if you ever have the opportunity, go back and watch videos of the Americans at the 1980 Olympics, winning the ice hockey game. Hmm. If you ever have that opportunity, like, go search it out. Because it is like it brings tears to my eyes still. It was amazing. It was so amazing to live and see that. And there was just so Oh my gosh, there was so much pride. And so much sportsmanship and really in a game that was so typically violent, I mean talk about the warrior right, I mean like it all came out, I used to work in a metabolic lab, some of our clients in the metabolic lab were actually Long Island hockey players, professional hockey players. I mean oh my gosh, I used to go to some of their games and it was like just, I mean now a lot of it has changed because they've changed a lot of the rules and I mean there was just so much bloodshed on the ice that the game has changed a lot, a lot cleaner than it was but back then it was like if there wasn't a fight, if there wasn't bloodshed, like then people thought the game sucked. It was just, it was really something. But that said, like that, there was something about that Olympic game that brought the United States together in a way that I don't think has ever been since. And I don't even think it was as much so in this, what was it, 20, this 2026 winning Olympic game. It didn't do it the same. There was something about that 1980 game. There were really, it was, there was just something about that. It was like, I'll always remember it. So I was in high school, just to put it in perspective.

Cassidy I was in high school in 1980.

Susan And it was just, it was remarkable. Wow.

Cassidy I'm going to look that up and I will put it in the show notes too.

Susan I'll, I'll put the video. Yeah.

Cassidy Put a video of that.

Susan I mean, it was just nothing like it really. So speaking of nothing like it, um, in all the years that we've been doing this, which is what five now, right? We're in our fifth year doing this. Is that right? Hmm.

Cassidy Yes. Well, you and I together, I'm not even talking professionally, you and I together, it's been like five years now, right? Yeah.

Susan Yeah. So in all the years that we've been doing this, I don't think that I have ever experienced a, um, more in It intense crucible season. And I only remember one prior to this in my life, being this intense. So how was your lunation? Let's move on to that. Tell me about your lunation. Wait, wait, wait. Can I preface this? Because I don't know that you'll say this. I want to preface your comment with this. Cassidy just yesterday, I think it was just yesterday, shared with me, well, put together and shared with me her documentation of our lunation, if that puts any of it in perspective at all. I And I didn't even like, I like, I tried, you know, to, to get as, you know, there's still, I'm gonna have to come back to it.

Cassidy I was like, I gotta, I gotta put something, I gotta get something. So usually, you know, this is something we would, I would have been documenting throughout. But also, it just, it's timely with, this is like the peak point of the action part of the year, which, you know, our lunar praxis is this like self inquiry and reflection process through which we, you know, process what is happening in the outer world. And so naturally, over the years, we have found that we're sort of in it. Yeah, at this, at this stage.

Susan And I hope that normalizes this time of year for people a little bit, who are listening, who are feeling like things are moving fast, like they aren't having time to process. And I still want you to answer the question. I do. I want to hear about how your lunation was. But I just made a connection that my digestion flared up just this past week. And like the light bulb just went on, like too much action, not enough time to digest everything that's going on. So if your digestion is acting up, not that there couldn't be a health issue going on, but maybe there is something, you know, what I'll call as psychosomatic going on, like for me.

Cassidy No, I had to add that. No, in our writing group, I had just a link to Sonam's article that she just published on Substack on saliva. And one of the things she talked about was chewing and its relationship with saliva and digesting and... I've got... How, you know, her father, her dad was a doctor as well. And so he had told them to chew their water, you know, had emphasized the significance of chewing as it relates to, I know. So like literally, as I said that, Susan just took some water.

Susan full of, I mean, sure, sure.

Cassidy She did some exaggerated chewing for me for comedic effect. You guys don't get to like see the full, you guys don't get to see just how hilarious we are yet. But because this is just audio. So yeah, we like literally need some more time to chew. I need some mastication time. Yes. Yes.

Susan So let's chew now, Cassidy. All right. We have.

Cassidy Let's digest this, this, this lunation.

Susan All right.

Cassidy We got like 40 minutes. can do this. All right. Let's see. This lunation. Hmm. Well, the, the fun thing or funny thing that we had, I, we had pointed out about my cards for this lunation was that right off the bat, like the heart's desire, the soul's evolutionary intention was obstacles and challenges. And, you know, uh, the soul longs for challenge for that cutting edge of evolutionary growth, but human ego and habituation, like even an evolutionary astrology, can see it within the charts, like how, whether it's like the South node or where like Pluto is, you know, you can see what will. Pull or hold on or resist change, uh, towards. So there's this fundamental. So within us human beings. But as the spiritual warriors that we are on our soul's heroic journeys, we love a good crucible. I remember my mom had called me once and she was like crying and upset about something. And, you know, she wanted to know what I thought. And I said, don't waste a good challenge. Don't waste a good crucible. Transform! So that's the context through which I live my life is how can you see. And that's part of the lineage, too, you know, that we're initiated into where the yogic master will say, like, you know, you accept the reward as the reward and you accept the challenge as a reward, too. Because any challenge that comes up is the thing that's pushing you along. in time did CALDS that's you. The ultimate goal, right? And so how can you look at both? And so that is sort of that setup. And yeah, it got really pressurized. So the crucible is like heat and pressure. And I realized like the past, we've been talking about the crucible for the past like two episodes of this podcast. And I was like, is this like a longer? I'm like sweating up here. Like, is this longer crucible season than usual?

Susan Yeah. So heat and pressure.

Cassidy So one of the things is just, we got back from our respective trips, which we the last episode was about how we audible to make that easier. But even with the audibles, it was still still challenging. And, you know, naturally, we have our own little pressure cooker at home because it's just my husband, myself, and our three-year-old all day, every day for over a thousand days in one bathroom. That just adds pressure.

Susan I know. I know.

Cassidy That adds comedic effect. Because you'll see my Dixie card, folks. I think that you need to describe that card.

Susan Yes.

Cassidy So this, this card shows a clown or a jester who is juggling fire, which seems like that might be a little bit dangerous. And my, my dear husband was know. know. I I know. know. know. I I I A child magician, amateur magician, and a juggler. He actually, like, wanted, he juggled. And he let me know that it is, like, exponentially more difficult to juggle four things than it is to juggle three things.

Susan Three, yes. So every time you add something, it makes It's not even like it's only one flame and, like, three balls.

Cassidy It's four flames. Four flames. So we got four flames. And, you know, he and I played the game of, like, labeling each of these flames. Oh, okay, okay. You know, like, what are the, what are these things that, you know, these torches that we carry or the things that we're trying to keep aloft or the things that we're responsible for, you know, whatever it is. And if that wasn't dangerous enough, the clown here is... And so Matthew also pointed out that they're like cartoon bombs. They're not even like grenades. He's like, you've never actually seen it. It's like an emoji. Like, so it literally looks like the bomb emoji, but it's like a, it's like an entire mountain of them. and so he is doing this daring performance of juggling for flames on top of a mountain of bombs with a big smile on his face with a big, he's not, his eyes are closed. I missed the fact that he's just like, he's just having a, you know, he's having a great time. Oh my.

Susan Oh my. Yeah. Yeah. So, what do you make of it?

Cassidy You know, it's one of the things when he and I were looking at this card, he said, this to me looks like a card of mastery. And it's interesting, right? And we were talking about the athlete and the sport and, you know, the discipline. And so there is this sense of, like, he's not sweating and he's on one leg. Do you see that? He's on one leg, too. So he's like, you know, so, like, just to add, I'm like, oh, my gosh. So there's that. I think one of the things that came to mind, so a sole goal of public life showed up, you know, as one of the top. Things at the at the top of the year. And it's clear to me that this entire year is like the inner work. It's not about like rushing out on to like, you know, I could have just rushed out to go compete at the story slam or to go like, and the stand up comedy scene or right, the comedian, you know, like there are things I could have done to force that like mentally like, oh, I should go do this. But instead, you know, you follow the instinct, you follow the thread of your intuitive guidance. And what life will do is bring you the circumstances to prepare you for the stage that you're meant to stand on. And so there's a bolder activity that we do around the crucible, where life will also make it abundantly apparent to you where you're holding on to this belief. belief. This construct of consciousness that no longer serves and is limiting. And so mine came in the form of the song, I Can't Make You Love Me, right? And this idea of over-responsibility for how others feel. And so there's this, this comes to this Dixit card image because this freedom that he has is if I set somebody off, he's not afraid of setting somebody off, right? And so you could think of this as like an entire crowd of, it's like every person that you encounter feels like a ticking time bomb, you know, if you're socially anxious. Or like highly sensitive, a highly sensitive person who's used to being like really silent and. And very careful about everything that you say to another human being, because you always, yeah, it's like walking on eggshells kind of feeling, and this liberation of being free to do your fire dance, oh, there we go, there's a connection to the fire spirit, right? Very good.

Susan Well, yes. And the first thing that I thought of, when I saw that card was, oh, the clown dancing in the parade. Oh, yes, of course.

Cassidy Of course.

Susan So we've got the dancing in the parade wink there happening from our solar story as well. Um, gosh, what a profound metaphor. And I, I honestly didn't know what. What? to ourbec star. That bomb symbolism was really about, like, was it denial? Like, you know, like the clown just like happy as a clam, like with the flames and like, is there denial underneath? Like, what was that? But, oh my gosh, that makes so much sense when you speak about it in terms of walking on eggshells and like the bombs going off, right? Each of those bombs representing like the reactions of people and how you never know what the reaction is going to be. But in truth, you can't be responsible for that, you know, that's their issues. The issues are just lighting up. Right.

Cassidy what's happening.

Susan Right.

Cassidy Well, and there's a great passage from one of the Paul Selig. Uh. I'm the word text. If I can find it and put it in the show notes, I will. But it was sort of informative when Matthew and I first got together and started doing integrity work. It was saying how in relationship you can have this stack up of I love you buts that go silent, you know, the silent things that just don't get said. And then Matthew had always said it's like a Jenga tower, like, you know, these like every I love you but is like adding a block to this Jenga tower. And so that was another thing I saw was all of these bombs on, you know, they haven't been diffused. They're just like landmines, right? So it's kind of like standing on this, these, all these landmines that you can't, you have to be afraid to like not address or light. And someone like me, myself or Matthew are dangerous around these landmines because we will just say. The thing, you know, so it's that pile up there seems also like a pile up of all of the unspoken I love you butts.

Susan Mm hmm.

Cassidy So that that's that was that Dixit card. And yeah, that was that was that. You know, and there were there are plenty of like, on the stage of life, like shenanigans in terms of like, how the crucible and the reward, you know, are manifesting. But I think that's why I love the the Dixit cards is like you can just get to the core of what the the loveless.

Susan I agree. I agree. To me, there is nothing like the Dixit card. I need to speak so overwhelmingly clearly.

Cassidy So you said that you're in your Dixit card. And if y'all are looking or have looked at the images yet on the show notes, do go on. So, okay, I'm going to describe this thing. Describe this Dixit card.

Susan So it's an image of a room with an open door and a window. And you can see outside the door into the darkness. With this bright light shining through the window with a blue sky and through this open door is walking this what I'm going to call the white robed one because you can't see a face it's just this long white robe and it has an eye a brown eye might I add coming from not the third eye. Which is where you might expect the eye to be on a white robed one, but instead it's at its power center just below the heart kind of at the solar plexus. In the room is a square table lit by one single candle and two sets of silverware dinner plates. So it appears as if the white-robed one has been invited to dinner because he's not breaking the door down or anything like that. He's walking through the open door like he's been or she's been invited to dinner. And so there we have the card. Now, if you continue also the illumination, I'm just realizing this now, the illumination of the light from the window. If you continue the rays, it like lands on the white-robed one. So that's the card. And the reason why I said that I'm in the card is because of the brown eye. I happen to have the brown eyes. It's not a red eye, it's not a green eye, it's not a blue eye, it's not a black eye. It's a brown eye, just like my brown eyes. So I saw that as myself. Now, what do I think the card means? Here is where I feel like it really ties together so much of not only the year that I've been having, what I've described as my year of emergence, but also specifically what a dream represented for me not too long ago. And the reason why I created the play and pray workshop that I did just recently with this, I'll call it theme or concept of finding the freedom within the form. And so I don't see this white-robed one as a ghost. I don't see it as God or, you know, like enlightened, you know, an enlightened being or anything like that. When I'm looking at that white form, I'm looking at the person who's been through the crucible and become purified by the fire. And I feel like, wow, was I put in the fire this season.

Cassidy Was I put in the fire this season.

Susan And not only that, I even spoke, I think it was in our last donation, about feeling like I was just brought to my knees. Like just literally brought to my knees, like having to just let go of... Everything, like, just let go of everything. And I feel like, you know, when the roles fall away, the fears fall away, the ambitions fall away, and there was no, there was no more ambition. There wasn't depression either. That's the interesting thing. But it was like, God, like, I just, I was forced. I was just, it was like, there, I had nothing left in me to, to do the, the, the biting of the nails, right? I couldn't even do the biting of the nails. It was just like, everything, even like, even the ranch fell away, like everything fell away. And I think this whole year for me, this year of emergence has been This simple watching and witnessing of what's coming now, what's happening here, like what's falling away, what's coming forth with no drive to make anything happen. And so that's what I see in this card. I feel like the robe kind of symbolizes this blank page for me, right? I just became this blank page, you know, this big show me, God show me kind of thing. And I feel like finally, finally, it's... The purified self that can come and sit at the table, you know, it's like the one without the agenda, the one without the roles, the one without the ambition or the, or the need to prove something finally freaking walked through the door. And, you know, now, now, I can start to see who is emerging, or what's emerging for me going forward. And, you know, something else I thought about when I saw this card was this idea of, which, again, showed up in our, oh, hi, kitten, showed up in our workshop this, was it this, this past weekend. Um, was the circle and the square. And that's all that is basically showing up in this besides the, the white robed one, you have the square room, the square table, the round cup, the round plate. So, again, this, this repetition of the circle and the square, which to me is really about sacred geometry. And it's like the house, to me, what it's saying is the house itself became or has become or is becoming the sacred geometry. Um, and so it's like, what's the sake of geometry, you know, in, in new age terms, some people call it the crystalline self emerging. Um, well, we're not turning into crystals, people. That's not what that means. It means that our form is go, it, it. It starts to embody the sacred geometry in our energetic form, so that, what's the matter? Oh, no, was just, that was striking something in my memory.

Cassidy I think it might be a Lisa or anything, like the idea of being more carbon-based to silicate-based and like the purification of the DNA and all that stuff. It gets, it can get a little sci-fi when you, but as we said at the top, like sci-fi, and fantasy are more real than reality sometimes, so please go on.

Susan So I just feel like what this really is symbolizing is like the sacred geometry or the house or the home, which has been a repetitious thing in my dreams, you know, the different, the different rooms in the house. It's like finally a vessel that, there, there, The real me can inhabit.

Cassidy Mm hmm. So I feel like that coming together in that image. Go ahead.

Susan What were you thinking?

Cassidy Oh, well, so there's like a thing, of course, that stands out as the doorway. And so your visionary board at the top of the year when we do our collages is like was a giant door. Doorway. Giant, giant doorway. Right. And so it's actually like really exciting because it's like the door was closed in your collage and it's kind of like now the door has opened and we get to see who steps out. And I got chills when I said that, like who or what steps out and through the doorway. So talk about like a reveal. And in our reward way maker guide, there's like this archetypal wardrobe kind of thing where, you know, what's your new wardrobe and how you're emerging. So this white robe, the robe of light. Exactly.

Susan Exactly. Like, I mean, how symbolic is it? I know.

Cassidy I know. And I love that the eye is at the will center rather than, you know, the third eye. love that.

Susan Well, which to me also speaks to something about embodiment and how and how it's not about the soul's ascension so much anymore, but the soul being willing to live in the mundane, to sit down at the table and have dinner and be in not alone, but in relationship.

Cassidy Yeah. So to me, that is very symbolic there.

Susan The one single candle is also very symbolic of the two plates with one candle, not two candles.

Cassidy So this unifying aspect and also just got goosebumps.

Susan And also the figure, that white-robed one, being so reminiscent of both Nightmare and Grace in my cards, the light, like the shadow and the light kind of aspect there.

Cassidy Yes, yes.

Susan I mean, they were just so striking, Nightmare in the darkness, and then Grace coming, the black horse coming through in the white light.

Cassidy Yes. It's very reminiscent of those two cards.

Susan Yes.

Cassidy So, yeah. No, the integration of the shadow and the light, it was in both, you know, the mirroring of both of our cards in terms of the shadow and the light immediately stood out when I saw this Dixit card. And it's almost like the robed figure. It could be stepping out of like a closet, you know, this idea of like the closet, subconscious, the unconscious, you know, the dark, the shadow, whatever. And then you have the spotlight, which is in our gift card, the season, gift position, the season, shining on it. And so this polarity integration, which is really what the alchemical process of the heroic journey and the crucible into the reward is all about. And so this is like classic Carl Jung quotation, right? One does not become enlightened by imagining figures of light, but by making the darkness conscious, right? Definitely put that quote in. Yes, in the show notes. Definitely put that in the show notes. Yeah, you mentioned like the one flame, the unity consciousness, the one, the universal flame, and the two cups, which is the temperance card in the major arcana, you know, this robe, this angelic figure who's, you know. Doing this art of temperance and, you know, that was the Anne Mortiffy or Anne Mortiffy quotation. Was it Mortiffy, the quotation on In Love with the Mystery on tempering the sword? Yes. So, and a brand new Waymaker Guide activity on temperance as an alchemical process. So there's that. And, you know, the thing that really stood out when I saw this card, it had a very similar effect to like when the Long Ma card had come out. There was like, it's unnerving. Like when you see this figure step through, it's a little scary.

Susan It's a little unnerving.

Cassidy And, you know, it was this, there was another card that Susan had from the season where we had talked about like, she had no sense of like, unsettlement or fear, you know, it was just when she saw this, this creature. she like the in And This mythical, mystical creature come through, but it was a little, like a little scary, a little unnerving at first. And, you know, it reminds me of Kathleen Matthews, who's like the real deal when it comes to Catholic shamanism. And her whole thing is like, she doesn't, she doesn't train. She doesn't work with celebrity shamans, you know, people who want to come for like a weekend workshop, you know, it's like depth practitioners in it for the long haul. And, you know, she says like, yeah, nobody likes the shaman. Nobody invites the shaman to dinner. It's like inviting the Grim Reaper to the party or inviting the Grim Reaper to dinner, you know, when they show up. And it's a similar thing I was talking about here in terms of like why some people don't like Matthew and I. And I wrote, uh, but. Yeah, I love this play in my mind then on the Grim Reaper, not as the, because the robe, it feels like classic Grim Reaper, like you can't see this figure's face. It's like a hooded figure. But this Reaper is in a white robe, right? With the face covered, not the death, the black robe of death. So this is the white robe, like you said, of purification of the soul's true light and all All of that goodness. And I mean, I, this is like one of, the Dixie cards are always cool, but this is one of the wilder ones that we have seen, I think. And I love the, your connection about embodiment in the mundane, the juxtaposition of this otherworldly being coming to sit down and eat at the table. So that embodiment.

Susan Yeah, so, you know, it's so interesting, because, you know, the more I do this work, if you want to call it spiritual work, the more I investigate reality, the more I realize that it is about being human. It's about fully being human, you know, I think that it's pretty common that people don't realize that their spirituality that their quest for God is about becoming more human about about really, about really embracing humanity and becoming human and . And just letting all those other things fall away, all the expectations, and to just be who you are.

Cassidy Yeah. Yeah.

Susan So, yeah, I just, somehow, and you mentioned it a little bit, you mentioned the scariness of Longma and this card. But somehow, I'm kind of feeling like, I don't know, that there is a connection between the energy of Longma and the energy of that figure walking through the door. I'm not sure why. know, Longma, I'm smelling burnt toast. Sorry, I had to take pause on that. I assume that he's, he's getting that, that there's no. Oh, fire here, that the house literally hasn't become its own crucible, just, just, just noticing the long, it's like an auspicious omen in Chinese culture, either heralding the reign of the sage ruler, or what we just talked about earlier, the way we started the show, which is like this entrance, of cosmic harmony, and morality coming in. And so I feel like that's why it literally talks about on the bottom of the Longma card, like this energy of integrity. And, I don't know, I don't know what that relationship is there between Longma and the way Right-robed one, but I'm definitely feeling it, even more so than the energy of the grace card, for sure. Like, I'm really feeling the energy of the longma and that center card.

Cassidy Yeah, and I'll put the longma card on the show notes as well, just so folks can see. Because you've got to see the card. Yeah, so longma is this, it's like a Chinese mythological character that is a horse, and it's like the, what do they call it when two animals come together? Chimera. Yeah, thank you.

Susan That word just wasn't going to come to mind. A dragon and a horse, so it's like a dragon horse. And, you know, the way the longma walks with his head down, I even find fascinating. That's amazing. So, you know, so cool. I know, super cool.

Cassidy And I just remembered one of my favorites.

Susan that's not the perfect word. Like really grounded, like leaning toward the earth, which is that energy of this card, like of embodiment and earthliness, you know, going to the table, breaking bread.

Cassidy Yep, that was the note, the bridge between the worlds and the nature of heaven. It said heaven and earth, but, you know, the nature of heaven in or on or embodied in earth. And I lit up because one of my favorite snapshots, the synchronicities from this chapter was taking my daughter to the aquarium. And they have a carousel of, they have a carousel of aquatic animals. So, did she Did choose the sea turtle? No. Did she choose the dolphin? No. She chose the longma out of the entire...

Susan Then there was nobody there out of all of the animals.

Cassidy She said she wanted this one. And it was even the same teal color. It was a seahorse dragon thing. And I'll put a photo of her next to the card of longma because I think that that was one of the cooler.

Susan Yes. And so I need to change directions here for a moment because the pictures that you put up on your note page were remarkable. Yeah.

Cassidy Oh, my gosh.

Susan I love the pictures of Clarissa playing in the mud. Oh, yes. mean, she was nearly covered from head to toe. In the mud. Yes. I mean, I really, first of all, I love messy day. I'm like, I think that is so healing for a child. Yes, yes.

Cassidy That just prevents all kinds of wounds.

Susan Yes. Oh, my gosh.

Cassidy No, that was like, that day was such a highlight from the chapter where I just so happened to like look up and it was like that week that day at the kids science museum, they were having messy day and a local landscaping company had donated a massive sand pit and a massive mud pit and set it up in the parking lot of the science museum. And it was awesome.

Susan It was awesome to see her like almost head to toe.

Cassidy Yes, in mud. Well, you know, I, well, and so first she started in the sand. And then like, as a mom, you got to think like, okay.

Susan He seems pretty content in this giant sandbox right now.

Cassidy We could just not draw attention to the fact that there is a giant mud pit.

Susan And, you know, I saw another mom and she did just that.

Cassidy She let her son play in the sandpit and then she's like, all right, this is a wrap.

Susan We're going home.

Cassidy It was like, absolutely not. And I was like, you know, how often do you get an opportunity to dive in the mud intentionally, just like, go for it, you know? And I'm like, I can throw these clothes away. And they had hoses, you know, they had like, like hoses and everything else. And then I was like, go, baby. Look at that. You want to get in there? Get in there. And she did. And as she like got in there, she was... And then there was a staff member there, whom we called the teacher, but there was like a staff member who got in and was like, joking around and like helping the kids playing with the kids. And in that moment, as I was watching this scene, it was right after a visit to the day before we had visited a preschool, a prospective preschool for a half day thing, and the visit, you could say did not go well. And so I, this was like, you know, heavy on my mind and heart, but I had just published to the reward Waymaker Guide, and there's this alchemical maxim, and I don't know the Latin, but the translation is, in filth it will be found. And it just clicked. the Hiram And so I just I was And at her in the mud, like, you know, laughing with the teacher and playing with the other kids and me getting a moment of respite to call the car shop about, you know, why is our assignment not in the, you know, to do something else. But in that moment, I saw, I was like, Oh, the reward is often found in the, in the thick of it in the in the dumpster in the mud. And so it was it was a beautiful moment. And I actually had to come and like, get her out because it was so it's so thick and sticky and her pants were like sliding down because the weight of it, the weight of it, the weight of the big stuck in the mud. So yeah, that's great, too. That's a

Susan That's great symbol there, which, I mean, was one of our symbols stuck in the mud. I don't know if it was this year, but if not this year, last, that stuck in the mud symbol. I also love, on a practical level, how this can be such a teachable moment for her when it is time to go off to school. Right. To be with the teacher. That she can be reminded of how much fun she had with this teacher in the mud and that there will, maybe it won't be literal mud going, you know, but it'll be other fun things that she can experience with a teacher. Totally. I love that it was, you know, a fun experience and she just looked, she looked so comfortable. like other gender gender sexualization. She She did. She did.

Cassidy She looked perfectly comfortable, like, yeah, this is what we do.

Susan We play in the mud. Yes, she was in her element.

Cassidy And, you know, my navigating wisdom sort of advice for this chapter was a card that said memories of love. And it's this, again, the orientation to in any given moment, where is the opportunity to create a memory of love? Yeah. And that picture is this snapshot of that. And this way that we orient, you know, to, like, I could have had the mindset of, like, I don't want to, like, maybe get mud in my car. don't want to, like, deal with them, you know, and like, it would have, like, it would have been.

Susan get messy. Right, right.

Cassidy And I love that metaphor, that you're willing to let life get messy. Yes. No. I think that's really beautiful, and I think that there's just so much teaching in that, speaking of the teacher, and there's so much teaching in that.

Susan Yes, absolutely.

Cassidy Yeah, the reward, when you were talking about, as we start to wrap here, when you were talking about, quote, unquote, spiritual folks getting to realize that it's actually about being human. And I think that that is, when you said that, it just clicked that that felt like a beautiful way to frame what the reward ultimately is, not necessarily an external object of power, or even an inner new archetype or psychology or. But all of it, the whole human experience, the whole enchilada, that this unique, precious life in and of itself is the reward. Yeah.

Susan You know, I'll just add to that. You know, when we look at that purified self walking through the door, I had earlier called it the witness, you know, like that witness self, the presence. Coming through the door, the essential, the essential self walking through the door. And just to kind of make it into real life here, some of my pictures from this lunation are of literally me bringing that essential self, that pure witness presence. To Odin, the horse that I've been working with for two and a half years, and how it's starting, like he's starting to respond to that. And I feel like he has been taking his own heroic journey, and he is becoming more present as I become present with him. And, I mean, like magical things are starting to happen, and my pictures are, some of them are the expression on my face, right?

Cassidy I know. So much joy. There's this video, and if I can, I'll put it on the show notes just because it's like the sweetest thing you ever see. My jaw like dropped, because it doesn't look like much, you know, Susan's holding a brush.

Susan It doesn't look like much, but it's huge. huge.

Cassidy He kind of gives. For a side nuzzle on her hand, you know, with his nose and, you know, I have a photo from when we visited over a year ago and, you know, there's like this safe and comfortable distance that he keeps and so to have him be that close, I mean, it was a beautiful, so sweet and fun moment.

Susan And even how, how much he'll, he's willing to receive the brush so far up his nose now. I mean, oh my gosh, I'm just, I'm so happy for him that he is overcoming that fear. He's letting the fear fall away to reveal his essential self, you know, who is already white and pure, you know. Yeah. But, um, yeah. I'm just thrilled for him, and it's really, really exciting, and I feel like, gosh, it's been two years of showing up and letting all my expectations fall away, and just to be present, and just to make an offering to him, and be okay with whatever the response is, you know?

Cassidy Mm-hmm. Yeah. Woo-hoo.

Susan Woo-hoo.-hoo.

Cassidy All right. Let's see. Do have announcements?

Susan Yeah. It's time for you to hop. It is. All right.

Cassidy So if you weren't with us for Summer Solstice, and you want to check it out, go to robesupflight.com, go to our website, and you can get the replay all season long. a if you All that And, you know, tune in to some of that, the seasonal energy as we live life guided. And we will be back for the Chapter 8 Retrospective next month. And so until then, be well. And as always, to be continued.

Susan It was good to see you today.

Cassidy As always, good to see you.